Comments on: New Insights Into Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria https://www.additudemag.com/rejection-sensitive-dysphoria-adhd-emotional-dysregulation/ ADHD symptom tests, ADD medication & treatment, behavior & discipline, school & learning essentials, organization and more information for families and individuals living with attention deficit and comorbid conditions Wed, 22 May 2024 14:34:24 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.3 By: Parnystrom https://www.additudemag.com/rejection-sensitive-dysphoria-adhd-emotional-dysregulation/#comment-330666 Mon, 04 Sep 2023 15:45:34 +0000 https://www.additudemag.com/?p=180074#comment-330666 Thank you Dr Dodson for your very interesting article. Where I live not many clinicians talk about RSD, and would probably prescribe other molecules such as sertraline, lamotrigin or prometazin to handle emotional dysregulation because of their broad effect on overall mood. Do you think guafacine and/or clonidine is more specific? Also, do you see it as a potential replacement or a complementary medication strategy (i.e. is it safe to combine)?

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By: TheNT https://www.additudemag.com/rejection-sensitive-dysphoria-adhd-emotional-dysregulation/#comment-318913 Mon, 01 May 2023 08:23:17 +0000 https://www.additudemag.com/?p=180074#comment-318913 I do not have a mood disorder. I am very clearly triggered into my episodes, which last days sometimes. I would hate it for another person reading this to discount RSD because it says “lasts hours” and not days.

This is my personal experience which I believe is complicated by trauma – the response of my caregiver to my RSD growing up.

I often still feel the physical pain for days on end (I’m on day 4 of an episode triggered by a feeling of failure). Triggers are exactly as you describe: perceived criticism, lack of approval, change in someone’s mood with no explanation, fear of failure, fear that I’ve disappointed/going to disappoint someone, and rejection. However, if the criticism or disapproval is overt, I handle it far better than when received via passive aggression. Any ambiguity about the situation sends me into a spiral.

It all now gets connected back to the rejection and abandonment I experienced growing up, when I was somewhat ironically needing reassurance from my caregiver and reached out to them, only to be rejected. It wasn’t an immediate rejection. It was a frustration (tutting, eye rolling) that I didn’t immediately feel better with the reassurance they were giving me. I had no way of articulating the physical pain. That it was still there like a crushing weight despite them trying to reach me. In fact it would often feel far worse so I stopped trusting people, I stopped trusting myself and didn’t ask for help.

Disappointment is by far the hardest emotion for me to process and is regularly accompanied by the crushing RSD chest pain. I’m still learning what to do with it and understand what I need. To anyone else going through the same, hang in there. Parent yourself in the way you perhaps weren’t. Learn to trust yourself again first and foremost. That’s been the key for me, and knowing that this isn’t it for life. The spaces between the triggers get wider with healing. There is peace from it.

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By: helenhm2 https://www.additudemag.com/rejection-sensitive-dysphoria-adhd-emotional-dysregulation/#comment-313286 Fri, 03 Mar 2023 17:35:06 +0000 https://www.additudemag.com/?p=180074#comment-313286 Thank you for this article. This SO describes some of the problems I have had in my life. My sister says she remembers me as a child crying all the time. I once cried through a whole meeting about my work performance. I could speak through the whole meeting but the tears kept coming and I couldn’t stop them. I am so glad that research is being done and a name has been put to what I have felt my whole life.

Thank you again.

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By: Raph https://www.additudemag.com/rejection-sensitive-dysphoria-adhd-emotional-dysregulation/#comment-148993 Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:55:17 +0000 https://www.additudemag.com/?p=180074#comment-148993 Thank you very much for this article, Dr Dodson.

I have a query and I’m not sure if it’s subtle nuance of RSD or not. Every piece I’ve ever read about RSD references the ‘outbursts’ that flare up and dissipate as quickly as they arrive.

I rarely – if ever – have these. Almost everything with me is internalised, and not outwardly directed at others at all. I might *in my head* be angry at their perceived lack of sensitivity or cruelty, or feel incredibly slighted or ‘done to’, but I do not ever say this for fear of reprisal or losing friends or being thought of as weird or over-sensitive, Instead I relentlessly churn these thoughts, internalising the “they don’t like me, I got it wrong, they think I’m XYZ, I’m not as popular as ABC, they’re just putting up with me to be nice…”

I’d *avoid* an outburst at all costs as I don’t lack consequential thought, having the foresight to know it might be perceived as weird if I had such a thing, and that I’d subsequently be mortified with extreme embarrassment as a result as there’s often no going back – once it’s out it’s out, and people become wary of you as a bit of a loose cannon. Like a snooker player thinking five moves ahead, I’m able to foresee this, preventing me from ever (or *incredibly* rarely, and even then, not extreme) having such an outburst. This means I internalise even more, and spend even more time ruminating. It’s all thoroughly exhausting…

Aside from this externalising element, I can tick every RSD box above, and I found your following bullet point particularly resonated, as I’d not seen this take before:

• “Avoidance of social settings in which they might fail or be criticized (for this reason, RSD is often hard to distinguish from Social Anxiety Disorder)” really struck a chord with me.

A mass of contradictions, I am a very sociable, and social person with a lot of friends and connections, and I love meeting people, perform to audiences of hundreds, and also run workshops where I’m *very much* on show and thinking on my feet at 100mph. Answering difficult psychological questions on the spot, and finding rapid creative solutions to complex problems alongside cracking jokes and (so I’m told!) being ‘highly entertaining’.

For these reasons the Social Anxiety label never sat well with me – it’s not universal, or I’d avoid all these situations above, I’d have thought, no?

I will though, feel *extreme* anxiety in a social situation where I anticipate I will be *judged, criticised, assessed, or deemed to have failed in the slightest way*. I take teasing very much to heart, turning it over and over in my head, and get extremely upset, but never lash out at others, as I’m far more likely to label it a failing in *myself* to be robust or resilient enough to cope with such teasing and have a water-off-a-duck’s-back response – Oh how I have so often wished for this teflon-coated skill!

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By: welkden https://www.additudemag.com/rejection-sensitive-dysphoria-adhd-emotional-dysregulation/#comment-138738 Fri, 13 Aug 2021 00:44:12 +0000 https://www.additudemag.com/?p=180074#comment-138738 I have been in the mental health field for 30 years and have specialized in ADHD and CPTSD for the past 12. I have been Dx with ADHD as well as C-PTSD and my experiences in the filed as well as personal experiences have been different. RSD has been an eye opener to describe events I have encountered throughout my life. My experiences with RSD came from my life traumatic events; my ADHD never showed itself via RDS. It is my strong clinical and personal belief that ADHD often masks trauma and/or ADHD in itself can be the trauma due to to a life time of micro aggressions from family, teachers and peers. Because both are neurologically based disorders I find they overlap. As I continue to address my own ADHD symptoms I have found CBT to be effective especially with learning more about ways to self soothe via breathing, mindfulness and confronting negative Cognitive Distortions. In my 30 years of practice, I can truly say I have never had a client with ADHD who did not also have a history of trauma as I believe Trauma is heavily underdiagnosed and given the weak Dx of Depression, Anxiety, and personality disorders. This has been my clinical experience. RSD is a concept I have begun to use with ADHD as well AS PTSD clients. My PTSD clients have so far found it powerful and validating to thoughts, feelings, and behaviors they had so far ben unable to describe. So even though there are differences of clinical opinion here, I thank you much for this powerful tool.

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By: donsense https://www.additudemag.com/rejection-sensitive-dysphoria-adhd-emotional-dysregulation/#comment-121145 Fri, 18 Dec 2020 17:59:09 +0000 https://www.additudemag.com/?p=180074#comment-121145 About 5 years ago in a support event for ADHD,the leader asked if any of us had undergone a recent Disturbing loss of temper event. Although there were at least 10 participants every one of us had. In one case it involved arrest, In other cases it was followed by extreme embarassment. The age of the participants ran from early 20s to age 70. The oldest, I was 70, I was very moved by the results, but there were no suggested medical controls. I am glad to see some are. Thank you.

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By: bdodson https://www.additudemag.com/rejection-sensitive-dysphoria-adhd-emotional-dysregulation/#comment-117045 Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:21:05 +0000 https://www.additudemag.com/?p=180074#comment-117045 Hello. This is Dr. Bill Dodson who wrote this article. Thank you for all of the helpful comments. I will take the two comments about the lack of the ability to measure subjective emotional states back to the researchers who told me it couldn’t be done (or perhaps couldn’t be published) and ask them about your suggestions.

For the other comment/question about dosing of an alpha agonist there are several factors that determine response.
1) Dose: There is a wide range of optimal dosages but in my practice I found that about 80% of responders did so in a very narrow range of guanfacine 3 mg per day or clonidine 0.3 mg per day.

2) Time: The alpha agonists act by down-regulating adrenaline neurons (at least that is what we think is happening with RSD). Down-regulation takes time and what we found was that it took about 5 days each time we increased the dose to see the benefits fully develope.

3) Response rate: I always looked to get a “robust” i.e. life-changing level of benefits. My experience has been that the alpha agonists either work dramatically well and with few if any side effects or they didn’t work at all. There were very few people in the middle.
That level of response happens for only about 30% of people to each medication. However, it is a different 30% with each molecule. If I did not get a robust response with the first molecule I tried at a final dose of 3mg of guanfacine or 0.3 mg of clonidne for at least 5 days, I would stop that medication and try the other molecule. If both were tried, the total response rate was about 55-60% of people. Unfortunately, that still leaves 40% of people for whom these medications do not work.
4) Consistency: These medications need to be taken almost every day. If a person misses only 1 dose per week, it seems that they can get by pretty well. Missing more than that, however, seemed to send them all the way back to the beginning of the 5 day wait for the medications to work. Consequently, if a person is missing 2 or more doses per week, they were probably starting over so frequently that the medication looked like it was not working at all.

I hope this is helpful in spite of being a very brief overview. I will check back in a week or so to see if you have further questions.
Best regards, Bill Dodson

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By: Thylacine https://www.additudemag.com/rejection-sensitive-dysphoria-adhd-emotional-dysregulation/#comment-115868 Thu, 13 Aug 2020 20:57:26 +0000 https://www.additudemag.com/?p=180074#comment-115868 Thank you for another clear article on RSD/ED. I’m particularly interested to learn of developments in thinking outside of the United States (where most of us live) and a little of the history.

I was going to remark on on your point re quantification of the phenomenon, although I see someone else has beaten me to it. To affirm their point, then: there are indeed a range of qualitative and semi-quantitative methodologies available in the social sciences, from ethnography to Q-methodology. And while I can see how it mightn’t be immediately apparent how the results of qualitative work can be fitted into diagnostic criteria based on quantitative studies, they might nevertheless serve as a useful adjunct to clinicians and patients alike. Indeed, your article is a kind of qualitative study, no? And surely psychiatry, like other schools of medicine, has a lot of experience in the use of expert judgement?

Re Clonidine: I wonder if you could go into more depth in a future article. I suspect many of us would welcome it. I’m prescribed both Clonidine and Dexamphetamine, though I admit I’m a little lax in taking the former, simply because the effect is very hard to gauge. I do notice it calms me somewhat, and indeed often take it with the other first thing, and sometimes by itself at evening. And I can sort of see how it might help to deal with the blows of RSD. (Something to watch.) I wonder then, and no doubt naïvely, if other calmative medications might also prove investigation.

Your insights on RSD have opened my eyes to its role in my life. It is, indeed, crippling. (And also makes me think it’s the reason why ADHD is often confused with bipolar disorder.) In fact, it’s perhaps done the most damage to my career and relationships. But, as you say, identifying the beast is at least a start to dealing with it. Which does make me think there’s a role for mindfulness and other coping strategies here.

Thank again.

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By: nellconway https://www.additudemag.com/rejection-sensitive-dysphoria-adhd-emotional-dysregulation/#comment-115833 Tue, 11 Aug 2020 23:45:41 +0000 https://www.additudemag.com/?p=180074#comment-115833 How long does it take before patients report feeling a benefit from guanfacine or clonidine? I have been taking guanfacine for one week but I am finding conflicting reports on whether it’s a pretty instantaneous difference or takes a month to build up in your body.

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By: bookworm3x4 https://www.additudemag.com/rejection-sensitive-dysphoria-adhd-emotional-dysregulation/#comment-115824 Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:06:13 +0000 https://www.additudemag.com/?p=180074#comment-115824 Thanks for this update about RSD research. However, I have to disagree with your suggestion that RSD hasn’t gotten attention in the past because “Even when RSD/ED is present, it can’t be measured, and, therefore, can’t get published in research.” Social sciences have myriad ways of measuring subjective experience. For example, diagnosis of many mood disorders relies on patients reporting their symptoms and severity, with no way to corroborate their reports with any sort of measurement. These data can be quantified in a number of ways and then assessed collectively. I agree that subjective emotional experiences are often discounted by clinical researchers, but it’s not because they “can’t be measured” or “can’t get published”—it’s because our medical system is so focused on what is tangible and provable and curable, and RSD defies all of these.

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